DuC vs 80s (06 Jul 09)

Date: 06/07/2009 23:07
Map: DotA Allstars 6.59
Game mode: -cm
Game length: 1:34:48

Spoiler:

Game score: 61/70
Winner: Sentinel

Sentinel:

Top:
:sand: 80s_Sheng, level 22, K/D: 11/18, CS: 271/6, build: 19201 gold, items: , APM: 106
:rhasta: AleX-XX, level 22, K/D: 12/20, CS: 131/5, build: 12778 gold, items: , APM: 98

Mid:
:zeus: 80s_wx, level 22, K/D: 14/9, CS: 84/0, build: 11965 gold, items: , APM: 70

Bot:
:morph: birdwin, level 24, K/D: 17/6, CS: 435/9, build: 24436 gold, items: , APM: 157
:cm: 80s_XiaoM, level 21, K/D: 7/17, CS: 48/1, build: 7995 gold, items: , APM: 101

Scourge:

Scourge Bush:
:axe: [DUC]NeoN, level 24, K/D: 16/13, CS: 232/0, build: 13410 gold, items: , APM: 120

Top:
:naix: [DUC]Legend, level 25, K/D: 15/13, CS: 252/11, build: 18735 gold, items: , APM: 130
:enig: Shau, level 19, K/D: 6/20, CS: 69/10, build: 7803 gold, items: , APM: 59

Mid:
:admiral: animeDemon, level 25, K/D: 15/8, CS: 364/11, build: 19610 gold, items: , APM: 105

Bot:
:bane: [DuCoRe]Edge, level 25, K/D: 18/7, CS: 153/3, build: 18710 gold, items: , APM: 98

Comment:
This was an incredible game!

80s held a -cm pubbie with like only 6 peeps in it, so we asked them if they'd rather wanna clanny DuC... and so it began.

DuC having a very strong lineup, 80s took a few mins pause-break to strat, after the drafting was done.

80s has already chosen SK, CM, Rhasta and Zuez, their last carry pick was gonna be a make or break. So we opted for Naix to take it away from them. They went with Morph which ended up being a great pick!

Early game was going DuC's way, with top and bot lane seeing some action. The CM/Morph lane weren't harassing Bane, but Morph did farm up like a champ during that time - netting very early tp-bootz.

There were at least two battles that took place just behind the level 1 towers of 80s which went sour. 80s used the Fog of War well, resulting in some unnecessary deaths for DuC. :/

For some reason, I kept messing up with my blink-call combo mid/late-game... always landing short. X_x Fail! Which let Rhasta land his ulti during bush-gangs. :/ Was incredibly frustrating.

Mid-game was controlled by 80s, with them taking a lot more towers than us. But we never let them come close to our rax', cause of that Rhasta Refresher/ulti combo - always engaging them around the level-2 tower mark.

With DuC turtling, Morph was free-farming in their bushes, with Naix in ours.

Late-game we managed a sweet counter push a number of times, bringing the rax' to an even balance (80s Raxing 1st) - with either myself or Coco defending base. Morph bought-back quite a lot, so the pressure was always up.

Glad to say, no1 tried to BD this game - made it all the more exciting. Morph did TP to his creeps and try to take the Throne, legally, but we glyphed and mass-TP'd to stop him. Oh, that was the thing, he always managed to wave out just in the nick of time. In a number of team battles, we'd kill 2-3 of 'em but Morph would get away. :/

The game ended like one of those relay-races, with Rhasta stretching out his hand as much as possible to lay down that ulti of his - which did the trick. >_<

ggwp guyz!

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It was an epic match, which i thoroughly enjoyed. Even tho they had us on the back foot we still managed to keep it open as to who would win in the end. GGWP all around. Very satisfying even if you lose to have such a good game of dota

I think if maybe enigma had a blink a few battles wudda been turned our way.....But thats just my opinion...lol

Shau was dead in almost every team-battle cause of his ulti (insta attention grabber). Not sure how he would've farmed up for a blink - esp with perma-warding.

Should have shared wards,whole point of picking enigma is for him to go blink and ulti :/

Anyways,gona watch it later !!

Good point there dude. BTW, if you do get a chance to watch the replay, be sure to point out my mistakes so that I can work on 'em. ty.

I only got to watch about 15 mins,coz i need to study so want to play some games before i study etc etc.

Anyways...

I didn't like your lanes,although picks were ok.You guys have some obsession with axe lol.You guys don't like to ward early do you :/.
I dont know what i would do for lanes,because its a sticky situation...

Plan A
Bane and kunka Bot
Axe solo mid
Enigma + Naix Top

I like this combo because bane and kunka can be very aggresive and kill shit quite easily.Axe can still farm as fast(if not faster)because he is soloing.Enigma and bane share buying wards now and again etc etc...

Plan B
Bane Solo mid
Kunka solo top
Axe bush
Enigma + naix bot

Bane can be more effective now,because a.)Can be more aggresive and b.)Focus on one hero,and forcing it to not farm at all.

Plan C
Bane and naix mid
Enigma + axe bot
Kunka solo top

Fresh meant mid,enigma and axe bot not too bad a lane either.

Now your lanes + pics
Bane wasn't as affective as all at bot,you may as well made him bush.I dont blame him for playing how he did,as there are a.)no wards and b.)its bot wtf?Although edge,i do believe you could've maybe have been a tad more aggressive towards cm(i may have missed it,soz if i did)

Enigma is a good pick!But make him bush wtffffff ,but you couldn't otherwise lanes are fucked ! Dont you guys like lion or potm lol??

@ Neon : I think you a better axe then me,but here goes.

-Pull creeps more often,Yes you may think you tanQ coz u can handle it and dont need help,but pulling isn't just about helping u bush,its helping the carry(being close to tower) feel safer,in his own territory so he can farm!

-Gang'd bot or mid a bit earlier imo,yes its all good killing sk and rhasta,but morph is the main issue.

-Your first death was a bit silly hanging around bot.I think u underestimated waves damage...

I will watch the marathon of a match when i get a chance.All this said after just watching 15 mins 0_0.

Side note
-I ofc haven't seen u blink in etc,but i think the main ppl to blink into is either Sk/rhasta/zeus/Cm.I'd say rhasta and sk are more important to disable.

Yeah i maybe cudda been a bit more aggro, but didnt want to die to the morph tho and feed him, and Demons(Kunka) was calling mid-mia alot, so i was hesitant to walk too far up with that threat out there.....lol, but watch the rest when u got time. Was still a good game

LoL im not saying it isn't a good game.I can see by the K/D ratios and the length of the match that it's a goody.

@ Edge : You wouldn't have been so hesitant if u had wards there tho :/.

Yeah true that

Thanks for the feedback dude.

GaskooN wrote:You guys have some obsession with axe lol.You guys don't like to ward early do you :/.

Peeps are always elim'ing Necro so Axe insta jumps to mind. As for wards, am surprised to read that, as Shau always buyz wards in the very beginning - but planting 'em has been slipping away lately (cause of rune battles, and than forgetting ).

GaskooN wrote:-Pull creeps more often,Yes you may think you tanQ coz u can handle it and dont need help,but pulling isn't just about helping u bush,its helping the carry(being close to tower) feel safer,in his own territory so he can farm!

Didn't think of it that way, was way too focused on trying to farm up as quick as possible. Thanks for the tip.

GaskooN wrote:-Gang'd bot or mid a bit earlier imo,yes its all good killing sk and rhasta,but morph is the main issue.

Yeah, didn't think of that either. Had no idea Morph was farming up imba til he had already got 'em TP-bootz. :/ My main concern is the distance from the Scourge bush to the bot lane (for a gang), but I reckon with a rune it'll be a lot more successful. Will def be mindful of that in the future.

GaskooN wrote:-Your first death was a bit silly hanging around bot.I think u underestimated waves damage...

That bot-lane death was totally... X_x. I completely underestimated the damage Axe's Counter-Helix does (referring to Morph's Clone of Axe). Was tanking way to much and by the time I realized it, Morph waves for the kill. :/

Thanks again for the feedback GaS, invaluable info.